Why I get Frustrated with giving Free SEO Advice
January 25, 2007 · Print This Article
If you give away something of value for free is its perceived value nothing?
I often get asked for advice on someone’s website. Mostly from people I don’t even know. Most of the time, if I take the time to give a decent suggestion or two, I’m left with a feeling of frustration. It’s like when my five-year-old son is jumping on the furniture, and I tell him not to do it, and five minutes later, he’s jumping on the furniture again. That kind of frustration.
And, it’s not always that the person I’m advising isn’t listening or understanding, sometimes they successfully impliment my advice. It’s that I’m taking time out of my day to help them, and rarely even get as much as a “thanks”, no follow up to let me know how it worked out for them, no nothing. But, usually the advice falls on dead ears, because most of what I suggest takes time and effort.
I’ve been going to the SEO Meetup, which is held monthly in Arlington (a suburb of Boston) ever since I met Brian at Pubcon in Boston last year. Every month he invites someone to join the group, to have their website be the focus of a brainstorming session on how to market it better. Last month, I left the meeting perfectly frustrated.
Here’s one example. One of the websites reviewed was called Foodler. It’s a really neat service, which allows people to order takeout from the web. They have a good number of restaurants in their inventory, including some that I’ve eaten in. The owner of the site rightly wanted to know how to expand the reach of his marketing. I do think he really needs to gain traction, because this is an idea that someone could easily encroach upon.
I mentioned to him that I thought he’d get a lot of benefit if he got some of the popular local bloggers to mention his site. Perhaps giving them a free dinner would help getting them familiar with the service. I’m not the one who coined the word ‘Sneezers‘ but I think that local-focused bloggers are clearly in that group, and having them adopt his service would pay huge dividends.
I was stunned with the reply. He asked “where do I find popular bloggers?” I stumbled on that, I wasn’t expecting it. Someone mentioned the Universal Hub, which is exactly the kind of blog I meant. Next, I mentioned that I had posted a link to the blogs I read in the Meetup’s forum. His response to that was something like “how do I know the blogs you read are the important ones?”
Luckily, the conversation turned away from blogs at that point. I’m probably too easily frustrated. Asking me how to find popular blogs is kind of like asking me how to walk.
So, should I, and others in similar situations stop giving out free advice? No, not really. I’ve been on the receiving end of good advice far too often to say something as short-sighted as that.
Should I get better at deciding who to give free advice to? Yea, I’ve been working on that. A couple years back, I had a problem with people constantly asking me to help code their website. Because I’m a Sitepoint Advisor, people assume I’m a top-level coder. I’m not.
Should Brian stop inviting people to our SEO Meetup to get free advice on their website? Maybe. Not once have I heard back from any of the people who were lucky enough to have the group giving them free advice on their website marketing. Not one. But I do think he should expect more of them. Perhaps the next one needs to buy us dinner and drinks. Instead of sitting at Panera with a cup of coffee and bowl of soup, the next one treats the group to dinner at John Harvard’s.
And a bit of advice for the people lucky enough to make it to Jeremy Schoemaker’s Meetup. Be good to him. Make him want to do it again with you next month.


So I should remember this if I ever get e-mail from Foodler, I guess …
Somehow I doubt you’ll have to worry about that.
But, I’d be interested to know about it if it did happen.
That is exactly the reason why you should have your next meetup down here on the North Carolina coast! At least if someone frustrated you, you could hit the surf or relax on the sand or go fishing afterward ;).
What if you setup a drawing for a monthly review of a website? “Your site will be reviewed by several “people-in-the know” in the SEO and Marketing industries. Normally, a service like this could cost XXXX dollars.” etc. Person submits a list of their goals ahead of time, what they have been doing to achieve those goals, what they are willing to do, etc. Contests usually excite people (Ebay has even tricked people into thinking that they are “winning” something when they outbid everyone else).
I would love to participate in your meetup! However, in winter, my blood begins to freeze after I cross the NC/VA state line ;). Great post!
Nice ideas! And, I’d love to do a traveling webmasters meetup group! Somewhere warm would be very nice, it’s very cold here right now.
Based on today’s temperature (48) it might not be the warmest (by our “thin, southern blood standards” it is COLD), but give us a month and it will be 65 during the day.
48°F sounds nice, we have 12°F here.
Good grief, 12°! - no wonder so many Yankees are moving down here! (I can say “Yankees” because I lived the first 7 years of my life in Rochester, NY, so I speak from experience.)
Hi Peter, I can relate to your story. I get private messages on DP and now via MyBlogLog asking if I’d “mentor” someone. Usually my reply is this: just follow what I do online to grasp how I do it. I am not an expert, but I do have some things that others might want.
I am of the mind-set that most things in life are “caught” not “taught” unlike what some people want you to do for them — hold their hand.
Seems like you help once, the next thing you know you are getting 10 messages a day from the person asking questions.
There is a find line between finding contact and finding people who just want information from you…
Thanks for saying nice things about our service, even if I managed to frustrate you. Sorry about that. Getting our name out to bloggers sounded like a great idea, but since that’s not something we’ve done, it seemed natural to ask questions to find out how to do it. And you’re right about something else, in a different environment, I’d certainly have offered to buy a round.
It’s too late to do that, but hey, Foodler’s all about dinner. Drop me an email and I’ll arrange to have your next meal on us.